J-1 waiver - расскажите, пожалуйста, как это происходило

[VI]

Колеги!
Если кто получал J-1 waiver, расскажите, пожалуйста, как это происходило.

Спасибо.
VI

[exAdmin]

Не знаю, насколько это послужит ответом на ваш вопрос, но, думаю, линк будет полезен как официальная информация.

http://travel.state.gov/jvw.html :arrow:

[maxidolor]

Go to www.shusterman.com - very reliable site form highly respected immigration law firm. I tis very good if you're absolutely clueless about waivers issues and contain multiple useful links.
For job search (for anesthesiologist or pain medicine specialist) go to gaswork.com - i found my waiver spot via this site after first job interview.
Max.

[exAdmin]

может кто-то поделиться опытом ;)

[C.I.]

может кто-то поделиться опытом ;)
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For who? Author of this topic already take time in home country. His 2YHR going to be "0" soon. He currently looking for new job in the US or already signed contract. Don't worry about him.

[exAdmin]

just to know
in case... :lol:

i'm really glad for V.I. ;) but it would be great to know how people get their waivers and where they go

[C.I.]

i'm really glad for V.I. ;) but it would be great to know how people get their waivers and where they go[/quote]
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I didn't hearing about any pure waiver after residency training like waiver for researcher with J-1 visa (after waiver they a free persons). Only 1 primary options for waiver for residents: work as a primary doctor in some not good area in the US (you may call this option as waiver).

[exAdmin]

i'm really glad for V.I. ;) but it would be great to know how people get their waivers and where they go
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I did'd hearing about any waiver after residency training. Only 2 options: 2YH or work as a primary doctor in some not good area in the US (you may call this last option as waiver).[/quote]

exactly, so
i would like to get more detailed information from people who did that: how long does it take to get a waiver, what kind of documents would I need, where is that underserved area could be

[Gorlum]

exactly, so
what kind of documents would I need, where is that underserved area could be
look upon this link www.shusterman.com (from above post) - you'll find a lot of answers here. Tipical working place on J1 waiver is a correctional institution in South Dakota:).

[Maxim]

look upon this link www.shusterman.com (from above post) - you'll find a lot of answers here. Tipical working place on J1 waiver is a correctional institution in South Dakota:).

Ну зачем уж так сразу людей то пугать - South Dakota это не единственный вариант. Хотя, как когда то говорил Хазанов - "а мы принюхались - и ничего" :)

[exAdmin]

gorlum thanks but south dakota sounds more like conspiracy theory

actually i want to know more about somebody's real experience on this forum

so again, h-e-e-ellouu
is anybody here with J1 waiver in the past??
where do you work now?
do you like your present place? if not, why?
where did you do your residency?

what are the conditions for your present work (how long should you stay with empolyee, when could you apply for GC, difference in salary if you compare that with usual/non-unserved areas)? etc. etc.

[Gorlum]

Ну зачем уж так сразу людей то пугать - South Dakota это не единственный вариант. Хотя, как когда то говорил Хазанов - "а мы принюхались - и ничего" :)
А чем ужасна South Dakota? Я просто проглядела первые попавшиеся позициии - в Южной Дакоте их 90+ для врачей. Если выхода нет, а в Штатах остаться хочется, хоть на Аляску поедем:). You swim or sink, как говорит мой американский друг:).

[Konstantin]

...Tipical working place on J1 waiver is a correctional institution in South Dakota:).
Не надо так людей пугать! ;)
Мой нынешний chief resident (кстати тоже из Москвы) едет отрабатывать свой waiver в Сиракузы, штат Нью-Йорк - и там он будет работать обычным нейрохирургом в университетской программе. Среди других вариантов у него были и Миннесота, и штат Вашингтон, но в Нью-Йорке ему больше понравилось. Тут всё зависит от желания получать меньшую зарплату в течение нескольких лет - остальное это мелочи...

[Maxim]

Я просто проглядела первые попавшиеся позициии - в Южной Дакоте их 90+ для врачей. Если выхода нет, а в Штатах остаться хочется, хоть на Аляску поедем:). You swim or sink, как говорит мой американский друг:).
Лена, а где это посмотреть можно?

[Gorlum]

Лена, а где это посмотреть можно?
По ссылке (см. выше) - там большой раздел про waiver. В нем несколько ссылок на открытые позиции.

[exAdmin]

Тут всё зависит от желания получать меньшую зарплату в течение нескольких лет - остальное это мелочи...

how big is that difference?

[C.I.]

I will call my friend in OK on this weekend. I think he already have a waiver. He told me that not only bad area available for waiver, and surprise not only primary care medical specialty. I will put short remark about his experience, if waiver already done.

[Konstantin]

how big is that difference?
Usually you would get paid between 1/3 and 2/3 of what you would have gotten elsewhere.

[exAdmin]

1/3 wow :shock:

lets say 60k instead of 180k that's a huge difference

[Konstantin]

No - if the regular salary is 180, then you can probably count on 100-120. If regular salary is 600-800, then perhaps 250-280...

[exAdmin]

so 1/3 is going after 500k :lol:

anyway thanks it's little bit more clear now

i asked maxidolor to share of his experience here, but he used this forum in 2004...

besides i'm asking ppl around so if i'll find something new i'll post here

btw how could embassy check that i stayed in Russia
i.e. i could spend that 2 yrs in europe then lost my passport and will say i was in country of origin...

[Gorlum]

btw how could embassy check that i stayed in Russia
i.e. i could spend that 2 yrs in europe then lost my passport and will say i was in country of origin...
That's what am thinking about - they'll never find out where I spent this 2 years. The only thing you have to do is to return to Russia from the beginning. In theory I would do like that - I'll come to Russia to get a new (or second) passport; then I'll go to Australia or NZ for 2 years. If I still want to live in the States - I'll go; if not - I'll stay in Ozy or Kiwi land. It's just in theory - I don't know how things will be going in the States: whether I like living in this country or not. And I need to get my J1 firstly:))

[C.I.]

[quote=Ivan Jr]btw how could embassy check that i stayed in Russia i.e. i could spend that 2 yrs in europe then lost my passport and will say i was in country of origin...
That's what am thinking about - they'll never find out where I spent this 2 years.
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First - don't talks about this illegal way on any forums.
Second - if you want come back to the US/stay in the US what you wrote is wrong design. If they in embassy found fraud - US door will be closed permanently for you. I believe they will ask you real proof of your stay and WORK in home country. Which exactly documents - you have experience for B1/B2, J-1 visas and paperwork for these visas. This will be worse.

This person in Atlanta with 2YHR can to answer for you about documents for proof of 2Y in home country (after J-1, researcher; back to US after 2YH):
http://forum.privet.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=13844

This person in Moscow in process to back to US after 2YHR (J-1, MD, residency in the US, 2YHR in process):
http://forum.privet.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6392

I see 2 good ways for you:
1 - waiver (possible not only for primary care physicians, and not only for "reservation' areas")
2 - 2 YHR in Moscow and back to US with H-1B to GC.
Hold Au and NZ for last 3rd option.

But FIRST - J-1 for pathology residency. :!:

[exAdmin]

i just was wondering how do they check that presenting in home country

i didn't write i will use illegal way :wink:

[C.I.]

i just was wondering how do they check that presenting in home country

i didn't write i will use illegal way :wink:
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My massege was to Gorlum. But you both think wrong.

[Gorlum]

First - don't talks about this illegal way on any forums.
I see 2 good ways for you:
1 - waiver (possible not only for primary care physicians, and not only for "reservation' areas")
2 - 2 YHR in Moscow and back to US with H-1B to GC.
Hold Au and NZ for last 3rd option.

But FIRST - J-1 for pathology residency. :!:
Thanks, C.I.! It was just a theoretical talk - am a law obidient person:)). You are right, firstly - J1 visa. I hope to get it on May, 24th. By the end of residency I'll figure out what I want.

[C.I.]

By the end of residency I'll figure out what I want.[/quote]
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Stay in US/come back to US :roll:

[Gorlum]

Stay in US/come back to US :roll:
We'll see. I don't know if I like living in the States.

[maxidolor]

I would like to apologize for long silence. As I see people on this forum got the mesage right - J1 waiver is not very pleasant but completely realistic way of managing you professional career and immigration status in US after residency. Most common misconception is that you must serve you waiver in a desert or redneck paradise area. I know quite a few people who got their waivers in CA, CT, NY, FL - major cities or least in vicinity of major metropoltan areas. I got my waiver job offer after first e-mail and interview and had at least 4-5 normal offers to follow. Even your pay can be at least at average level - it depend on your offer.
I would advise to start process 2 years before graduation from the residency/fellowship training. I would check your own program, local VA's, professional websites (like Gaswork.com) Plus use all your connections - attendings, people you met at professioal meetings, even you personal friends from medical school. Get some idea about job market early- you may get you offer right there. I personally lost some very good chances during residency training (like staying at premier academic center on East Coast just because I was to shy to ask the direct question in timely fashion)
I would strongly discourage people to counterfeit 2 year hoem residency requirement docs. It is just safer to go home and come back in 2 years. In my hospital we have female surgical attending from Egypt (!) she just came back after 2 years overseas (if they need you - you will be back)
Seems to be major challenge is not waiver itself but rather adjustment of status after 3 years (especially if trying to leave your waiver spot) Obtaining green card via labor certification route can be lenghty and tricky so choose your employer and lawyer wisely (sorry for calambur)
PS Gentleman from Chicago - my best Regards to your chief resident we were classmates in Moscow.