Нужен совет по перезду в США

[Roman]

Ситуация такая. Молождая девушка (не замужем), студентка последнего курса мединститута очень хочет сюда. Я советовал ресерч или студенческую визу. Какие будут идеи? Вариант визы невесты не подходит, так как категорически пока не собирается замуж. Кстати, английский пока еще тоже далек от совершенства, хотя активно учится

[Boris]

She need to look for a job here first. Is she in Moscow? She can probably be a good contact for us for the May visit. We would need to coordinate a lot of things between Burdenko Hospital, possibly Filatov and Sklifosofski Hospitals also.

[VI]

I am going back to Moscow in mid-to-late summer. I may help with cleaning the brain from roaches. I also may need field workers for a research, if my current crazy idea finds moral and finantial support.

[Roman]

She need to look for a job here first. Is she in Moscow? She can probably be a good contact for us for the May visit. We would need to coordinate a lot of things between Burdenko Hospital, possibly Filatov and Sklifosofski Hospitals also.

I think she can do a coordinating job, since she is in Moscow. I am not sure about May visit, since it is the last month at the medical school and all finals are there. But I'll ask. BTW, I can give you a plenty of contacts in Moscow, if you need.

[Roman]

I am going back to Moscow in mid-to-late summer. I may help with cleaning the brain from roaches. I also may need field workers for a research, if my current crazy idea finds moral and finantial support.

What kind of research and where geografically. Again her English is not perfect at all, even far away from that

[Boris]

Even more so, she needs to study. She can only survive in America if she is here to work. She cannot work without the language.

[exAdmin]

Сразу скажу, что даже если она найдет место, то из-за плохого английского визу скорее всего не дадут. Тем более, что молодая и замужем... :roll:
Так что первым делом надо язык учить. Мой совет-поступать в интернатуру и учить английский. А потом (если не передумает :)) уже можно искать место в research.

[Roman]

About English - it is obvious. Currently studying. I'd like to help her as much as I can since she is really nice and smart and I think she can achive a lot here.

[Nick]

I would recommend to do everything at the same time. I mean to get the residency in Russia, learn English and try to find position in research here. It'll save a lot of time and she'll always have back up in Russia. If she wants to help Association in Moscow it's more than welcome :D What's the med. school? What's the future speciality she wants?

[Roman]

Didn't decide about the specialty. Probably something in IM. Studying English. Going into internship.

[Roman]

I was thinking what about come here as student (apparently to study English - faster and more efficient) and than find a research job here and switch from F1 to J1, ss it possible?

[Nick]

She is on her last year. I think it would difficult to get F1 or M1. Probably the best way is to graduate, get the internship and at the same time find position in research here as a postgraduate.

[Roman]

I meant after graduation (just couple month to go). So, with this correction, what do you think about that?
Thanks

[Nick]

So, you mean Student visa to study English somewhere in Kaplan center? Probably, it's possible.

[Nick]

очень хочет сюда
One more very important question :) What does she want to do here?

[Roman]

That's obvious. Sa me as all of us - live and work as a doctor.

[Nick]

OK. So, I would go through research. Which way is better - find the position from Russia or change the status from student here - it depends on many things. Both ways are possible. To be a student here she needs money. To be a research/postdoc fellow here she'll earn money. That's the biggest difference.

[Roman]

Ok, I got you. But in general, is it possible to switch from F1 to J1, being here? Is it useful to study lab work there?

[Sergey]

Я бы рассмотрел вариант сдачи Step 1 и 2 в Москве.
:shock: А потом искать резидентуру на H-1. :D

[Nick]

to switch from F1 to J1
I know people who switched from F-1 to H-1B. I don't think she needs J-1 once she's here on F-1. She can come on J-1.

To Sergey:
To my opinion, the best way is to come and study here. It's much more easy. If she's coming on F-1 the main question is financial support. Also she'll pick up English. Also it's very difficult, close to impossible, to find residency from Russia.

[Roman]

Also it's very difficult, close to impossible, to find residency from Russia.

My friend found three guys from Moldova. They studied there, passed steps with 99/99, 99/97 and 99/95 and matched from there to neurology in NY. I don't know if is it truth, but I've heard about

[Nick]

Man, I can only say WOW :!: They did great job :D Seriously, besides preparation itself - CSA, visas, interviews...
I'm still thinking if she has a chance to come and study here this is the best way. If she doesn't just try to do the best over there. We'll help as we can :D

[Roman]

Back to the topic.
What is easier in her situation to get F1 or J1 for research, considering her risk factors (single, young, educated and so on)
BTW she was already rejected once for B1 (? turist visa) about a year ago. How it is possible to supprot her application in embassy.

[Nick]

I've never had experience in F-1. Probably, "strong" position for J-1 with support + good English and luck on interview would be better. It's really difficult to say. There are so many factors.she was already rejected once for B1 And this factor is obviously bad one. But nothing is impossible :D

[Michael]

Hi,
It sounds like mambo-jumbo a bit. We try to decide what is good for her.

Let HER speak herself what she wants!

It seems that there are things she will be struggling with. However, the STRUGGLE is almost necessary to get something good in the US. There are NO easy ways to succed.

If I knew way ahead that I'd be getting a chance to practice medicine in the US, I would:

1. Pass all the USMLE Steps in Russia.
2. Finished my Ph.D there. Whatever it's worth there, it counts HERE.
3. Learn how to speak English so well, that passing the TOEFL would seem to be just a walk in the park, under the breeze.
4. Read all necessary books, like WashMan.
5. Get the FANCIEST LORs from Russian professors.
6. Indeed try to get some research position in the US. Getting a job in the hospital lifts her to the level of the INSIDER, not OUTSIDER.


The rest.......is up to her. No easy way to get anything good here. You have to fight for everything.

Thus, certain mentality would be of help.

Good luck!

Michael.

[exAdmin]

1. Pass all the USMLE Steps in Russia.

:roll: не каждый интерн/врач в России может себе позволить сдать экзамены по ~$450 каждый

[Roman]

:roll: не каждый интерн/врач в России может себе позволить сдать экзамены по ~$450 каждый
$660 STEP 1/2, $1200 CS and $610 Step 3, unless I had wrong examination ;)

[Sergey]

Exams are even more expensive overseas that those in the USA.

[Alisher]

:roll: не каждый интерн/врач в России может себе позволить сдать экзамены по ~$450 каждый
$660 STEP 1/2, $1200 CS and $610 Step 3, unless I had wrong examination ;)

I guarantee that the price will be increasing every year. As of now, first two steps are $675 plus additional fee if you take it outside USA, CSA - $1200.
Roman, back to the topic. If she used to be in the US before and had no problems with Immigration Authorities, I see no problems with getting J1. I used to read Admin's experience with J1 and that he was turned down once. Confidence and right answers to Consul's questions should narrow any suspicion. Good luck!

[Roman]

If she used to be in the US before and had no problems with Immigration Authorities, I see no problems with getting J1.

She was rejected tourist visa last year. That's the problem. But now she is working on resume and english. Thanks

[Alisher]

Chances are slim but still possible. Admin is another example.

[Michael]

Likely she has been rejected her tourist visa because she's young, bold and beautiful :D You know how authorities look at the immigration control.


Speaking of the exams. Indeed it's expensive. Don't forget that not everyone passes it from first attempt. Also, taking the CS in the US brings additional $$ expenses.
However, none said it would be easy, right? The outcome? Be prepared to fight for EVERY little thing you get here.
I do and the process will continue.

Well, then the best bet would be to try to land a research position somewhere in the hospital.
After that, seat and study, pass the exams, got ECFMG Certificate, go throught the Match, attend interviews and hopefully match somewhere.

It sounds like 1,2,3,4 but in reality it takes loooots of effort, willpower, time, and money.
So, be prpared for that. Then it doesn't hurt that much.

( I think I should become part-time motivational speaker :shock:, 'cause I'm talking too much , I guess)

Good luck!
Michael.